Holt makes the point that the Sky deal replaces proceeds from domestic ifollow streaming.
International ifollow streaming is unaffected.
Wrexham (presumably) made £1.25m from International ifollow streaming last season.
I would guess that we made a lot closer to the £3.5k mentioned…
I struggle to believe 3.5K to be totally honest. That is just under 30 subscriptions at £10 (is that what iFollow costs?) per month. If you’ve only got a fan base with a demand for 30 subs each month (lets face it, people use it domestically it’s not just expats), then … you’re a bit small anyway. That is life, we face our own realities regarding size and scope of our fanbase and it’s how the cookie crumbles.
Presumably Ifollow expenses have to be deducted from receipts.
Holts long standing beef is that clubs should be sharing match day Ifollow profits.
Looking at those figures, Wrexham would’ve made around £25k from streaming (internationally) their match at our ground last season.
A match at our stadium, using our facilities…
That’s another can of worms though 
Last year, international iFollow cost around £140 for the year. I don’t know how much of that goes to the club but, assuming it is the lion’s share, £3.5k represents 25 people (and that will include the VPN crowd). That is very low indeed and it is hard to believe that any club is that low. I’d guess the income is around £50k -100k, which is comparable to the Sky money and well worth keeping.
I dunno…
As a sample, how many on here has a ifollow ST? I can easily imagine Crawley, Accrington, Harrogate etc only having a handful tbh.
Where I live, there are loads of EFL club supporters, but I’m the only person I know that pays for ifollow (even though I can watch it for free on IPTV). I don’t know about other countries, but almost every foreigner in Sputhern Spain that likes sport (or watches telly) has IPTV / fire stick etc.
If Salford can only bring 70 fans for a 3pm kickoff at Bescot, it wouldn’t suprise me if they barely have any iFollow subs to be fair.
As well as @Belphegor point about folks watching for free, don’t forget the costs.
Those two commentatators will cost a few hundred per match, especially away games, its a full day then, plus travel.
No idea what they pay for the use of the Camera, which I assume are Sky’s. That won’t be cheap, plus administration and other costs.
There will be a break even figure per match somewhere, pure speculation what it is.
It’s just the local radio comms is it not?
I wouldn’t. Sky pay for the rights to use that footage, it doesn’t mean they own it. The whole match has to be recorded anyway by the league for highlights packages, scouting service packages, their own media channels and social media, I doubt it has anything to do with Sky or iFollow costs.
I really doubt there are that much costs involved in running iFollow specifically, the games were filmed and the commentary made on those games long before it was a thing, the EFL just put them on a website now for fans to watch.
The league will employ someone, probably sky, to do the broadcasting. Unless you think the EFL has dozens of quality cameras…
That won’t be cheap!
No I don’t think that at all, my point was they have already been there and filming every second of every league game for years and years, way before iFollow. My point is it’s not a cost directly linked to iFollow.
Do you really think that Sky, who will have a good idea of the revenue Ifollow are generating (example of one L2 club making £1.25m from international streaming alone already given), won’t be extracting as much as they can?
Its not as if Ifollow can suddenly say that we will go with another company!
They don’t really have an alternative.
I think we are talking at cross purposes here, it’s really not an argument:
Sky will be making money out of the coverage now, just like they did before (they’ve only really upped the number of games they are showing), I’m not even debating that. Of course they will, ad revenue is a thing.
iFollow IS the football league. It’s a streaming service they provide. Instead of showing it domestically on their own channel, Sky have paid more money to show more games and the football league will no longer compete with them domestically. They will still run iFollow internationally, but that is not a market Sky are in.
But, all of this is irrelevant to the original point and we are just going off on tangents. The point I disputed was that there were many costs, too a football club, running iFollow. My reasoning was that games have been filmed in their entirety, for the league WAAAAAAY before iFollow (which is ran by the league anyway) was a thing, as was the radio commentary they use. I don’t see where the additional cost is. The Cameras and the gantrys and the commentators were already in use, they haven’t been created for iFollow (and now Sky).
If you’re not addressing that directly there really is no need for a dispute.
I agree. Most of the iFollow costs will lie in the infrastructure and the process by which the streaming occurs. The commentary and the picture are happening anyway.
One thing that puzzled me last season was when Josh Gordon scored (!) from a lovely cross from Liam Gordon. The iFollow camera froze and missed it and that was also true of the action replay - the camera was still frozen. But, if you look at the archive, the goal is there in all its glory (and rarity).
Because it probably wasn’t the camera itself that froze, that footage would still be captured. It was most probably an issue with the streaming provider at the time, and when the highlights were shows the original footage was used instead.
Yes, it must be something like that. What surprised me was not the freezing, which happens from time to time, but the fact that it was also there on the replay in exactly the same place, so it was not the usual streaming issue.
I love arbor ales! Not had one in ages so now you have me thinking of perusing their online store when i get home!! 
Some league 2 games may be on itv according to this article.
Might be some games on a Thursday night according to LP at the fans forum
Wouldn’t mind that to be fair. Closer to the weekend so feels more enjoyable
