Brian Dutton

Agree, we need a plan, or a philosophy if you like. Decide if we wish to be a football team (yes please) or a hoofball team (no thanks) and play the same way at every level.
Develop the yoof. Give them a chance, and then give them several more chances. Be patient. Look to the local non league Clubs and sign talented, hungry young players (if we can match their salary :joy: ) and mop up rejects from our bigger neighbours, and further afield (Fox and Gerrard did us proud) and only sign loans who are better than what we have. The days of signing loan players just to make up the numbers should end.

I think we will stay up this season, but I think we could easily go down in the next couple. If it can happen to Oxford, and Bristol Rovers, it can happen to us. We aren’t a well run Club that is having a run of bad luck, we are a badly run Club (and have been for years) which is where it deserves to be. We need to sort things out, but who at WFC has the vision to do it?

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I found the commentary from Wrack and Ned interesting today. They were both practically ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  themselves with laughter at what they were watching.

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Jumbo Agree with 99.9% of what you say but I’m genuinely interested to know which bit is down to luck

There is someone who manages every single aspect of the Club and the Venue. I struggle to buy in to luck

But on the whole you are right let’s hope we can turn a corner

Portsmouth aswell spent a good 5 years in league two aswell I think.

Worry for me is other clubs haven’t got back within two seasons and then they decline further and go out in the other direction.

At the moment this club has more the look of Notts County about it than Crewe so really need to use this summer to re-set the clubs values…whatever they are.

It’s going to be tough. I actually thought with way this season has panned out it’s a missed opportunity not to be in top 7 with so many draws but guess that just highlights lack of quality and killer instinct running through the club.

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I said our position wasn’t down to bad luck, that we are where we deserve to be.

He definitely need a bit of help. Who is alongside him on the bench if Sadler is playing, is it just Maik Taylor?

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Sorry Jumbo I’d misread that part of your post.

I’d love to know how we match up to other L2 clubs

With regards to

Income

  • Gates
  • Commercially (adverts and the venue)
  • sponsorship

Expenditure

  • Wages
  • Football costs
  • The Avenue costs
  • rent
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I honestly feel sorry for the guy, he’s been left/ given one whole load of turd to work with.

Far from a dig at the players either. They look like they are trying and genuinely care - one thing a Walsall fan will ALWAYS demand of its players regardless of any inabilities.

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Still cannot understand why EVERYONE cannot see this. Particularly our Team Manager.

Until we decide on a set formation - not one that’s changed everytime a goal goes in or during each half time interval - we are going absolutely nowhere.

The Players are not been given fair chance because nobody knows what they are supposed to be doing from one 20 minute period to the next.

When you’ve got a wealth of talent, you can getaway with it and that flexibility probably makes you the team you are.

But not with Players of this standard-playing at this standard.

It’s complete insanity taking this same approach and wondering why it continues to fail. It is very much to do with the Manager and BD is just repeating EXACTLY the same mistakes as DC.

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I thought it was interesting to, I like the fact they can see what the players are doing unlike the bench, Derek dropping to deep to attempt to get the ball, no support for Josh and Wes not breaking his neck to get in the box, it’s a shame that this insight isn’t passed to the manager.

Usually you change formation when your either seeing out a game or chasing a game (last 15 minutes).

These wholesale changes at half time are completely insane.

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I don’t. He will have been working with most of these for 18 months. He will have chatted and discussed transfer targets with DC, at home as well as at work, and although he might not have had the final say, he will have been part of the ā€˜project’. Cheap option from Pomlett. Dutton is still under contract. Vale already had coaches so was not required. This was his only chance to get into management. Seems a nice chap but we need a fresh, steady pair of hands to stop the slide and push us on.

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Dutton was (under Clarke) primarily responsible for recruitment. To what extent and stage, I don’t know.

Exactly, absolutely spot on. The current approach is just irrational and reactionary. You go a goal down…ok…it’s not all over. This is the way WE play and we get on with it.

If you’re having to change the formation so often, it means the Manager is getting it wrong every single time.

You have to look at how Dean Smith did it in his early days. O.k a league higher but budget was still poor.

Early seasons he tried picking up rejects from other clubs but they didn’t work out e.g. Anton Peterlin, Jarvis and also Claude Gnapka who is probably related to Osadebe somewhere along the line…

Summer 2012 the plan changed. Cuvelier, Mantom and Paul Downing all picked up from local clubs on loan or in permanently. Sawyers came in from Albion at the back end of that season. You combined that with the young players who’d been around the first team for a few years, Paterson and Grigg and also the experience heads were all good, Chambers brothers, Andy Taylor and James O’Connor coming in the following summer I think.

Small squad but another metric which @P.T likes is they all knew their roles and were pretty well drilled in formation and role in that formation.

What have the last 2-3 years brought? Loads of players not good enough not just for league 1 but in mounting any sort of challenge to get up from league 2.

Hardly any young players apart from Bates and CCM trusted and experienced players DC has signed have largely flopped and taken up sizeable chunk of budget.

Really poor standard of loan player aswell that started in the last few weeks of Whitney reign.

Club got to snap out of this malaise and starting getting the recruitment decisions back to model of decade ago otherwise we’ll be saying same stuff in 12 months.

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Definitely with people on the constant changing of personnel/ system etc.

I am old enough to remember when football was a simple game!

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It was especially true today with a young and very inexperienced team on the pitch. Having said that one positive for me today was the form of Bates who showed tremendous energy and some skill right to the end. Get Holden back and with Perry we will have 3 midfielders capable of playing the passing game. You do have to wonder where Perry has been for the past 12 months though.

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Completely agree. Our constant changes are reactive and play into the hands of the opposition.

I honestly think we are asking to much of the player we have at our disposal.

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Yes but we were losing and he changed it up.

In previous years fans would be racking him off over that to be fair.

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True. However, I feel we need to take a step back. Establish what our strengths are and play on them. Of course there we will be a requirement to make subtle changes as the game evolves, I just feel the constant, often quite dramatic, might not be helping.

I don’t know what the solution is too be honest.

Frustrated.