We had Adam Chambers then playing that role, as well as Sam Mamton who were the mainstays of the midfield back then. Plus the fact Kinsella was only 19/20 ,years old back then.
And that is the Kinsella dilemma. He is both the solution and the problem.
He is our very own quantum superposition.
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Exactly.
You canāt play both, and my faith is much more so in Perry. We simply cannot play them both together, as we will just struggle.
I donāt see whatās controversial about that, with the other comments made by others tonight in relation to my points this evening.
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Your pinning promotion on the fact we get rid of potentially our player of the season that makes sense
Perfect sense.
Shows how crap we are.
We have 3 absolutely shocking strikers, 2 wingers who are awful!! (Sorry but Wright aināt all people think he is, and yes i know he is only 19), and two very average fullbacks. Two average goalkeepers; a young kindergarten midfield, and a Jekyll and Hyde Centre half pairing, yet some.pick.on Kinsella as the problem. Jusy get a life and get real
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You had a few beers?
You have completely missed the point.
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No, just half a bottle of Glenlivet. I just get ā ā ā ā ā ā of when people pick on Kinsella as the problem. He puts his guts on the field every game. No he might not be the best in the world but if the 10 others players did the same every game we would be in the mess we are currently in.
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You could have put a coach on for us all ,it was far better than watching this ā ā ā ā poor performance,I thought this was a turning corner but after that back to square one ,I really donāt know where to start with this lot for next season,I would keep half the squad but the rest can go cleaning windows after that
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Because hes cheap.
Me neither.
Liam Kinsella in his quantum superposition is the answer to lots of equations.
Why donāt we lose many games?
Why donāt we win many games?
Why havenāt we gone down?
Why havenāt we got close to going up?
Obviously there are ten other players on the pitch so not everything hangs off your central midfielder. But it is a crucial position in any team. The place where it either hangs together or falls apart.
Defensively he helps the knitting together. Offensively nowt. And by offensively, he doesnāt need to be scoring double figures but he should at least be the root of goals and chances. The full stop in the oppositionās attack and the first word in ours. The first few seconds after a breakdown in possession is now a huge part of the game. Lines are compromised, wrong sides all over and the opposition defensive shape a complete mess. It is only single digit seconds before that shape is re-set and playing through them becomes really hard. Itās a tough gig. At fourth division level, Liam is adequate because he does half the job really well. Which means if our new ambition is to remain a football league club, then heās good enough. If the ambition is greater then probably not. At least not in that position.
And whilst I wouldnāt make him player of the season, preferring Holdenās obvious impact, he would be top three because āadequateā and doing half the job really well puts him head and shoulders above many of his colleagues. Which is a measure of where we now find ourselves.
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Two wins in a week would make anyone think itās a turning point mate but looks like we are totally dependent on Rory Holden.Iād keep Rose Clarke Melbourne Kinsella Holden Iād try and get Tyreik back on a season long loan and Obviously Perry and Osadebe have signed so they are already a part of it but Iām struggling to think of any others.
Iād try and sell Wes and Iād let Gordon and Lavery go I did say Iād keep Lavs out the two if I had too but ideally Iād get shot of both.Sinclair can go not sure about Bates and Derick can go back now for me heās a terrible footballer Karl Robinson must be laughing his testicles off.
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You see Iāve always seen him more as box to box. Not quite sure where this DM thing with him has come from. I mean start of last season Sinclair was doing that and Kinsella was more advanced as happened todayā¦
The other week you had the odd poster saying he was as effective in DM role as Chambers which was complete hilarious.
The long term question is thisā¦is Kinsella the right sort of player in midfield for Sam Perry to kick on, yāknow push on forward and score goals and link up with whatever forwards are playing with full confidence knowing Kinsella will be behind him sweeping up.
When likes of Mantom and Flo came in as young inexperienced players they were given that licence with Chambers behind them (and George Evans in 15/16) as he was masterful in that role.
And ideally you get a third midfielder in who can actually score some goals although of course Holden is in number 10 role already but it all falls apart when heās not around.
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Seems everyone thinks weāre safe! Even the players! Take a close look at the table and the remaining fixtures, it might keep a few folks awake. I would suggest that Grimsby could well win their remaining matches. Unlikely - yes, but not impossible when you see who they have to play. Without Holden for the remainder of the season, does not bear thinking about.
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yeah he lays the ball off nicely to another midfielder, who is in the side to create and pass. They usually spaff it long for a goal kick and jog about a bit.
I understand the point trying to be made but its all being fixated one the one player whose job it isnāt. Can he contribute more? Absolutely. But this is a weird witch hunt.
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Thought Wes was out of contract mate? Either way he can go for me anyway like most of them.
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Mantom lost his place to Evans in 15/16 who himself was only 20 when he was here on loan.
That Cain guy who came in on loan in 14/15 was only 20 at the time aswell and started every week for a few months.
Indeed Reece flipping Flanagan was getting starts here and there in central midfield, pretty sure he played at Swindon away in one of DSās final games and gave the ball away for the winner.
Kinsella made his league debut in August 2014 and I can remember him having a really good game at home to Burton so itās not like he was some YTS lad, he was in first team squad for a year at that point but DS had his reasons for not giving him a run.
Anyway 6 years on now and he simply hasnāt progressed as we all hoped.
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We need a box to box midfielder that can chip in with a few goals and assists canāt see anyone at the club now capable of filling that role next season
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The weird thing is folk being happy with a bang average (crap) midfield and not wanting to improve and get promoted.
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Chambers was a top league one player in his position Kinsella isnt a top league 2 player in it.
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