Mickey Flynn

It’s just guess work without any substance. Is that better .

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He worked with Matt at Newport so that would be a signing he’d be all over.

Matt Stevens was a bit of a gamble due to the injury but at Forest Green he displayed similar tendencies to DJ in how he scored. It didn’t work out and that happens at all clubs.

It was a really poor run from after the Leicester game so Flynn can have no complaints at being dismissed.

For me the appointment really had to work if club wanted to get out of this league the right way soon. He’d shown he could overachieve with limited budget at Newport so very disappointed it all fizzled out.

That’s the problem the club have now. It’s tried two experienced league 2 managers, one with promotions and neither have worked out. It tried the up and comer in Taylor which turned out to be a disaster but now he’s the one of the three who’s somehow managing in league one.

So the new theory I guess is Sadler morphs into the second coming of Dean Smith at some point in next 2-3 years as I have no clue who or what gets tried if he dosen’t.

Or what league the club will eventually be in.

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The new data driven approach with decisions being made on transfers by Matt Jordan and then expecting the coach to work with with what they’ve been given?

I wonder if this approach began in January and was the main driver with Matt/Stevens being signed?

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I maintain this is why we play 352, given Sadler went 4321 when he had temporary charge - it’s mandated.

Data driven approach is bullocks though, otherwise we’d not be signing former loanees like DJT, resigning the likes of Allen, or loaning players who’d played for a team the ownership are in the process of taking over.

So sadler may be falling on Matt Jordan’s sword?
If we fail then who is truly at fault if Jordan decides players formation and tactics why isn’t he manager?
Is mat sadler really just the puppet of the masters , disposable when he fails and a new puppet put in his place?

Possible, although I doubt Jordan picks the team, just sets the formation etc.

I’ll do some more research on Houston when I’m less drunk and see if that tallies :rofl:

Is my memory playing tricks on me?
I seem to recall Ben Boycott saying that he had spoken directly, individually, with all of the players at some point last season.
Am I imagining that?

You are correct.

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Thank you. I asked my mates and none of them remembered that.

Was in one of his statements I think.

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I doubt he’d have been so complimentary to BB, LP, DM and MJ if any of that was to be the case.

He was happy to leave Sadler out of his list of staff he reeled off, so he’d have left them out too.

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Oh come on. You have to be joking don’t you?

Firstly it was made very very clear on more than one occasion that no one has any input into team affairs such as tactics / formation or selection.

It’s laughable that anyone even considers this as a possibility it really is.

Secondly, falling on Matt Jordan’s sword? We’ve just lost our first league game in 5…away at the most in form team in the division and the countries highest scorers…we have the same points from 3 less games than his predecessor (Flynn) did and were playing a better brand of football than previously.

As it stands no one’s falling on any swords at all.

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Could have been working with a defacto director of football which he kind of removed when he joined. Dont think thats Flynns style.

American owners, the owners set the vision of a Matt Jordan model and wanted a manager more malleable to that vision… Perhaps (undisclosed) spending good money with no return on Flynn, perhaps Flynn didnt expect players to capitulate and essentially give up and he lost the dressing room. Maybe seeing players and Fans squaring up to each other showed a derailment.

Maybe he just lost too many games and the owners have researchers with accounts reading UTS and reacted to the good hard working people of our town…

:smile:

A former player has recently joined the company I work for. He told me a fair bit about last season and Flynn. It does fit some of what you suggest and certainly explains that awful second half of the season.

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What points can you share? and obviously not a player from last season, surely, so in what shape or form were they involved with the club to be in a position to inform you of goings on at the club that backs up @philthesaddler extensive post?

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I’d love to know too! I don’t claim to have any inside info apart from being close to the bench where I sat last season and seeing the body language.

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“we should have kept flynn” please give yourself a reality check, the guy won 2 games in 22 matches, if you seriously think that’s acceptable then I’d like to take whatever drugs your on because you’re living in dream world.

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I was expecting some ressurection of an old thread regarding Flynn after the weekend. Seven games is a fairly short sample size and whilst he does appear to be doing a very good job so far there I wouldn’t really think we can judge until the season is out.

I did say when he was sacked that I didn’t agree with the decision, I know I was in the minority with that view at the time and that minority shrunk each winless week that went by last spring with football which could diplomatically be described as ‘tedious’. That said I do think there were a number of mitigating factors, the sheer number of players he had to bring in last summer (I think it was close to 20 and a similar number going out the door) and with a sizeable chunk of the playing budget already on the injury table with our highest earners WIlkinson and Labadie and then the misfortune of losing Gordon, McAntee and Riley within weeks of signing who I think were all earmarked as starters. We also gained good momentum in the 2nd quarter of the season which was killed off completely by losing the two best signings Flynn had made in January which whilst as loan players was always a risk, to lose them both was extremely unlucky.

That’s not to say the run we then went on in the 2nd half of the season was acceptable, it wasn’t but is the solution every time we come up short of expected standards sacking the manager? I don’t think it always is. Flynn himself I think acknowledged it wasn’t acceptable and alluded to his planning for thiss eason being well under way a few weeks before he was sacked, he knew better than anyone which players were worth retaining and which ones he needed to replace. He had another 12 months to run on his contract and if the club had agreed that contract with him I think any manager needs 2 summer transfer windows before they are properly judged and can call a team and squad fully their own.

Whilst I didn’t agree with the sacking of Flynn and Sadler wouldn’t have then been my first choice as a replacement I think we have to afford that luxury to Sadler in giving him, unless things go catastrophically bad, this season and next summer to put us in a place where the expectation will be a top 7 finish minimum.

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Firstly, I’m no BS. Never have been and just not in my personality. It is a player from last season. Coming to the end of his career and planning for a new one outside of football. Training or lack of and questionable team selection started to irritate the squad in the 2nd half of last season. Could that be to loss of interest, interest from Swindon or just his negative personality coming out who knows. But when players are organising their own training or training alone then all is not well.

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