What is? 
So were many players playing at a higher level, that also didnāt manage to drag us into the top 7 on their own. But apparently we must judge Kinsella by that and only that (and not being our best player for the last few years, and solid to great performances on a weekly basis).
Nope, youāre just ignorant to what I and others are saying.
Iāll boil it down for you.
You think Kinsella is a great player at this level, and would be in a successful side in this league.
I (and others) donāt. I think heās been one of our better performers in the context of an incredibly low bar and never finishing in the top half in the last what? 5/6 years? I think we need better players (note the plural) to finish in the top 7. One of those players needs to be the DM/holding player in my opinion.
There you go.
Itās not difficult.
Nope, I know perfectly well what you are saying. And so does everyone else here. You clarify it in your āIām just sayingā way on an almost weekly basis whenever he plays well again.
Itās not my fault you canāt handle that I donāt agree 
Yeah, I donāt agree either.
Whatās your point ? 
ā¦ that I understand perfectly well what you are trying to say? I ā¦ thought that was pretty obvious from my post, no?
You havenāt explained why my points above are wrong.
(In your opinion).
Do you think Kinsella would be a performer in a side (us) finishing in the top 7? If so, why?
Pre-Counter: we have never finished in the top half of any league with him in midfield. We have terrible possession stats (which correlates with league position). Why hasnāt a better side picked him up? There is no evidence therefore of him being able to play in a side in the top 7.
Do you think we canāt do any better than him? I think we can. I donāt know why itās so controversial.
Can we really do better than him when weāre paying peanuts?
Thatās the arguments here.
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Thatās because I never said you are wrong. See thatās the difference between you and me, I donāt write off opinion as being right or wrong.
I donāt see why not. I think heās an exceptional DM for this level of football.
Eurghh this one again on the rotation of āyeah, butsā. Iāve no idea. Why did it take years for a team to pick up Walker? How come Sam Hoskins is still at Northants? Over 250 appearances and top scorer in the league from Attacking Mid? Why is Danny Johnson on loan to a league two rival for 6 months?
Why is loyalty a bad thing these days?
Well obviously we can Iām not arguing heās the best midfielder in European football FFS
Despite there being no evidence of this?
No evidence?! I watch the evidence on a weekly basis mate. Have done for years.
Thereās no evidence of him being an āexceptionalā player at this level.
Not when you ignore every good performance, no. And so, we go back to, with a neat little bow:
I think it is a hard sell to say he canāt be in a top 7 side in this division. Had the recruitment of strikers been better I think we would be in the top 7 right now. DJ obviously good enough, the rest are not from what I have seen. I expected more from Williams but looks like at this stage of his career he wonāt contribute enough.
I donāt know much about Riley but a lot seem to think he is a good player, I assume he was signed to play midfield so who knows where that would have left Kinsella if he had been fit. We also havenāt had Jack Earing fully fit for very long at all.
When the team is set up right, Kinsella seems to come into his own. Hutchinson and Maddox were both making forward runs the other night and can both pick a pass. Kinsella was excellent in his role. You definitely donāt need another DM playing in that formation and it possibly/probably stifled him and the team having another DM who canāt pick a pass or make a forward run next to him.
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Would it be fair to say that Kinsella isnāt in a position on a football field that gives him the opportunity to change a game.For example weāve had poor squads for a number of years as you rightly point out, so if Kinsella played behind the striker and had the opportunity to set goals up or if Kinsella was a striker and were able to score 15 goals weād have finished higher up the table.What Iām basically saying is when your in the middle of a crock of poop team and your game is to break play up and set the team off attacking is it his fault that when heās done that the others were that crap that more often than not nothing came of it so itās slightly unfair to say heās not ended up in a top half side.
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Yeah I got that pal. My point is that we have only rarely played like this - and the only two real times we have been like this, this season, has been against Harrogate and Hartlepool.
I do find this argument about Kinsella quite irrational. We have a player who gives 100% every game, irrespective of the opposition. During what has been a hugely disappointing last few seasons, he more than any other player has consistently performed and this has been widely recognised by players and managers (both ours and the opposition), supporters and sports reporters.
The above statement is incredibly moot, because until we assemble a team with better players whose performances are as consistent as Kinsellaās weāre never going to know.
I mean could any of us say that if we had Nāgolo KantĆØ or Kalvin Phillips playing in the same Walsall teams over the last few seasons, in place of Kinsella, we would have fared any better.
It needs eleven players to step up to the plate and to single out Kinsella as the weak link is bizarre.
Couldnāt agree more and Iād find it incredible anyone could argue this point.
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Who has done that?
Does screaming THIS MIDFIELD DOES NOT WORK!!! accompanied with the multitude of Kinsella essays every time we concede a goal (regardless of blame) not constitute that?
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It hasnāt has it ?
I still say that Bradford away was our best team performance this season, Iām still not quite sure how we managed not to win that game. Missed a pen and countless chances, and stood ball watching for Cook to score.
I didnāt think we were that bad v Stevenage or Grimsby at home either. The Stevenage game, in particular, was pretty damaging I think and had we held on we would have had more than just the extra two points from that game on the board now. Football is a strange game and there are a lot of factors that decide things, especially in a division like ours where the difference in teamsā ability isnāt that great.
To do better you have to spend some money I reckon. Iād say Riley was possibly our attempt to bring in more quality, it is a shame we havenāt seen him yet and not sure when we will either.
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