Unless anything else comes to light, an issue surely in his favour was that this all stopped two years ago when he joined Tamworth from King’s Langley.
You clipped my quote - which also stated games he could affect or provide inside info on.
Doesn’t matter - we know the ban could be anything from nothing to life.
The sheer number of bets doesn’t look good and you’d think were targeted at particular events in a game, rather than a result, but then his age and financial status suggests the value of the bets will have been quite low, so perhaps more likely very small bets - suggesting an addiction problem rather than match-fixing to make millions.
So it’s OK for TV football to be sponsored by betting companies, but not OK to bet.
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That’s certainly mitigation. How much weight it carries will depend on the facts of the case. The number of bets alone suggests that he won’t just get a slap on the wrist and a small fine, a period of suspension is likely. The length will depend on which matches he has bet on, how co-operative he has been, personal circumstances etc.
Absolutely … it needs to stop
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I genuinely don’t think, unless there is any suspicion of match fixing or cheating (inside knowledge ie agreeing for someone to be booked or knowing your mate is getting transfer) that it should result in anything other than a fine…..even that can be considered harsh but I’d understand as a deterrent.
Go to any dog racing evening or horse racing event and “in the know” betting is rife and owners are making fortunes out of it.
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Whilst not condoning what Jamie has done, i hope the club backs him and JJ repays the backing when all this is done and dusted.
Im hoping there is some leniency because of some of the reasons mentioned, but obviously some action needs to be taken.
Purely speculation, but if Jamie does have a “problem” then i hope he can get the help he needs and can learn and move on from this.
All these betting sponsorships need fooking off aswell.
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It’s quite a number, but small bets on a game quickly mount up for a very small outlay: Score, first scorer, score plus first scorer, time of 1st goal, etc., etc.
In horse racing, jockeys are banned from betting but trainers and owners aren’t, which tells you all you need to know about its social structure.
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Ivan Toney placed 13 bets on his own team to lose in 7 games, he was not involved in any of those games, but got an 8 month ban. I assume the money involved was a lot more, but I’m not sure how much the value of the bet itself has an impact on the punishment, it’s likely to be more of a principle kind of thing.
Also, aren’t build-a-bets treated as multiple bets?
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True. How easy would it have been for him to place those sorts of bets on the teams he was playing for - Aylesbury, Hitchin, Kings Langley, Hemel Hempstead? Is there a market at that level?
For some of the time he was on Stevenage’s books, so bets on matches in their division would be an aggravating factor.
Yes, you would be surprised the breadth of the football betting market. In my deep gambling days I was betting on teams and leagues I never knew existed.
And it needn’t be with UK bookies.
Indeed, it’s not something I’ve ever had anything to do with, despite spending a couple of years working for Ladbroke’s in my youth! It was all just horses and dogs then.
Like any addiction there are consequences, It can impact upon
Relationships
Physical and Mental Health
Finances
I hope Jamie not only gets support from the club but also the professional support needed for his long term well being.
He’s a young man with a problem and unfortunately his problem is now in the public domain.
I wish him all the best and hopefully things will work out for him.
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Yes there is.
Issues arise around inside information. For example if a team is intending to play a weakened team in a cup competition because they have other priorities, or in non-league this could even be a weakened team in a league game because they’ve got a cup tie coming up, that sort of thing. And it wouldn’t necessarily have to be your team, as players move around they keep in touch with one another " stick a bet against us mate we’re playing the stiffs because its FA Cup week next week" type of thing.
Obviously I don’t know the ins and outs of JJ charges but given the level he was playing at I do wonder if he even knew about the rules. Here’s a case of someone playing for Chichester City FC placing 5,547 bets between 2017/2018 and 2023/2024 and getting a £250 fine.
I think if the mitigating circumstances are that he wasn’t aware of the betting rules at that level, he stopped betting as soon as he was in the national league north, his age, he wasn’t betting on himself doing something like spot fixing than I’d be surprised if there was a ban tbh.
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Not sure where to land on this.
Trying to link it to my workplace, where insider dealing is a potential risk which could be classed as similar I.e. trading/gambling using access to private information. Prosecutions in this area results in individuals being fined, imprisoned and likely not being allowed to work in Financial Services ever again.
Now, I’m not advocating any of these outcomes for JJ, however I would imagine any punishment isn’t just about the offences, but the deterrent in stoping the individual doing it again and messaging to others in football about the consequences.
Fascinated to know how the FA find out about this information, tip offs, information sharing from betting companies?
From a club perspective not a great thing to be entering the season with hanging over us as not sure how quickly the FCA verdict will materialise. We needed bodies in midfield anyway but do we need to carry an extra one just in case the punishment handed down is a ban.
Have a read of the Ryan Bowman judgement:
Betting companies report suspect offences to the FA,
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