^^^^^what he said
Ok, heās done well to get promoted from league two. Heās not done great at this level on a budget similar to ours though. Just a fact.
Heās had a couple of good finishes, and then assembled a team good enough to finish 20th and 22nd when he left, that has the exact same fragility we do.
And likening him to the job Sean Dyche has done is ridiculous by the way. The jump from league two to league one is completely different to that of the premier league, not to mention the fact Burnley have become renowned for having a solid defence at least for their first couple of seasons as well as getting into Europe. Keith Hill has achieved nothing of the sort, even in comparison, in this league.
Could well be a good thing to have on your CV from our point of view, come the end of the season 
Maybe he would get us out of league two. It depends what your aims are. To get out of League Two and end up in the exact same position we are in now? Great! get Keith Hill in! He will probably achieve that.
Damn right ā¦ case closed.
That will equate to success in the foreseeable, despite the Championship ambitions touted by Bonserās mouthpiece.
Better get used to the idea.
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Please just admit you are wrong for once.
Itās painful mate really is!
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That was the original result, letting the relegation calculator do all the working out. Here we are, a fortnight later, and the same procedure brings up a slight improvement in the forecast. The current projection is that we will finish 21st on 46 points, 3 points behind Gillingham.
Who knows what a couple more wins will achieveā¦ (?).
What would you like me to admit Iām wrong about? That Rochdale/Keith Hill have assembled the leakiest defence in English football? Thatās heās never risen higher than mid table obscurity, something I seem to remember a lot of people whining about, on a budget similar to ours? That we should be aiming higher, long term, than the position we are currently in and that we need a manager who can over see that progression?
Painful, it really is.
Like I said:
Only Walsall fans would pine after a manager whose been shown to be out of his depth in this league and also not the man to fix the problems we actually have after being sacked from a team below us rather than back their own or aim a little higher.
Youāre assuming their budget is similar to ours. I donāt think theyāre close to our resources. Yes, we should be aomi g higher, but a comparison to Rochdale is, IMHO, off the charts. Regardless, if you wish to pursue it, their strategy of āweāll score than youā has worked for the majority of Hillās tenure, where he has overachieved compared to his resources.
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I donāt have the exact figures but every graph of wage spend I have ever seen has us bottom if not close to it. And as for transfer budget Iād guess itās relative. Weāre hardly Man City. Our Turnover might be higher than theirs but do you really think we have that much bigger of a budget? Based on what we know about this club, how it spends those resources?
Thatās a completely naive way of approaching a football match and at a higher level, like League One compared to where heās come from, you need extremely special attackers to do that. We havenāt got the budget to acquire them or the prospects in development. So a more pragmatic approach than āwe will just score more than youā (Which Rochdale havenāt managed for the last two years) is needed.
Their turnover is way below ours. My āscoreā comment was more facetious but represents a valid threat response. Hill spends his money on forwards and structures his game plan to facilitate that. Itās risky, but theyāve got nothing to lose.
They also rent their ground. Care to guess how much for?
Yes. I said that. But that isnāt related to budget and what the manager is given to spend.
āThatās a completely naive way of approaching a football match and at a higher level, like League One compared to where heās come from, you need extremely special attackers to do that. We havenāt got the budget to acquire them or the prospects in development. So a more pragmatic approach than āwe will just score more than youā (Which Rochdale havenāt managed for the last two years) is needed.ā
Iād say weāve got an awful lot to lose from our current position. Relegation, twice over, failure to come back up from league two, deterioration of an already deteriorated fan base ā¦
Same as ours? Yeah their finances are completely different arenāt they 
Harsh saying heās out of his depth in League One.
Heās clearly done a good job at this level for a number of seasons, but itās just gone stale at Rochdale for whatever reason. It doesnāt make him a bad manager.
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Iāve never at any point said heās a ābad managerā. Heās just displayed, on numerous occasions, that he canāt lift a club like ours on a similar budget past mid table obscurity, and sometimes a relegation scrap. Heās a top half league two/ bottom half league one manager who has demonstrated no ability to fix the problems we have at any point.
If people want that, great! Bring him in. People will moan about him like they moaned about Whitney because thatās pretty much all he achieved with us as well in time.
Itās like dancing on quicksand.
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why do you hate discussion on your message board? It really is bizarre. I have addressed every single point anybody has made with how I see it. If you donāt like it thatās kind of how opinions work.
In your world, just because āxā has happened previously then āyā must be the outcome. Football doesnāt work like that.
I think it would be good for the club to look a little bit outside the box when it comes to our next appointment (whenever that is) and get someone in who doesnāt have any association with the club. Even the appointment of OāDriscoll came with a heavy recommendation from Smith and OāKelly.
Our last appointment that didnāt follow our usual introvert tendencies was Richard Money who was a complete breath of fresh air and really galvanised the club.